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a fight that obama should not want to have. it's interesting to me if he doesn't act in the next couple of days with what charles calls a generous deal he gets himself in to really unstable waters, economically. something we have never seen before. then we look at the global waters rattling toward real default, not the january 1 cliff. republicans would be blamed initially but he would be blamed ultimately. >> this argument and is so ethereal with the numbers baptered back and forth they can't grasp it. one component is the farm bill that expires at the end of this lame duck session if it expires and we go to 1949 formula for calculating milk price supports. back in 1949, most cows in the country were milked by hand. what it ostensibly means for you is gallon could cost $6-$8. citizen against government waste says it's cornucopia of wasteful, silly programs that many wish should be allowed to die. the statement goes op and on. what is going to be the fate of the farm bill? >> good question. asnatetive wisconsin, i would like to
a fight that obama should not want to have. it's interesting to me if he doesn't act in the next couple of days with what charles calls a generous deal he gets himself in to really unstable waters, economically. something we have never seen before. then we look at the global waters rattling toward real default, not the january 1 cliff. republicans would be blamed initially but he would be blamed ultimately. >> this argument and is so ethereal with the numbers baptered back and forth they...
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lori: is there any hope for a deal? are you the last man there? >> a staff is here. the staff is in this but all eyes are on the senate when it returns this thursday to try and get a deal to avoid getting off a cliff the past friday before the president left for the holiday, he proposed a limited measure to avoid all of the cliff when speaker john boehner plan b. got scuttled. the president wants to extend the bush tax cuts and avoid some of the deep spending cuts. white house spokesperson says discussions continue between the administration and capitol hill. in july you may recall senate democrats passed an extension of the middle-class tax codes for the year. those folks making less than $250,000 per year at a cost of 157 billion. also passing the alternative minimum tax for $92 billion. mitch mcconnell is critical to hammering out a deal because he can filibuster any legislation, but his spokesman told me this morning nothing new to report. we don't know what senator reid plans to bring to the senate for a vote. >> truth of the matter is if we do fall off the clif
lori: is there any hope for a deal? are you the last man there? >> a staff is here. the staff is in this but all eyes are on the senate when it returns this thursday to try and get a deal to avoid getting off a cliff the past friday before the president left for the holiday, he proposed a limited measure to avoid all of the cliff when speaker john boehner plan b. got scuttled. the president wants to extend the bush tax cuts and avoid some of the deep spending cuts. white house...
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every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying to limit government and cutting taxes. what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad gifts are going back. tell you what the five of us got from san. the plus, this woman says she was fired from her job for from being too sexy.
every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are...
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they want a two-year deal because no one wants to keep running on this stuff. and most importantly, to president obama, he has a state of the union and an inauguration speech to give. he wants to work on his legacy, not on this. >> so what -- you just said that the republicans really did just play right into the hands of the democrats. is that what you said? >> well, i think they fumbled the ball a little bit in their negotiations. i think, for example, even the optics of it, having president obama back in washington today, and having congress still out, is not the right message to end. people right now feel that the republicans are the party of no, that they are the ones causing this, they are going to get blamed. the fact of the matter is, is that they are doing the fiscal responsible thing here and that's where they can hang their hat. is that they have to hold on for deficit spending, and they still have the debt ceiling to hold in their back pocket if they need to. >> so what would, if you had been advising boehner, what would you advise him to say yes to?
they want a two-year deal because no one wants to keep running on this stuff. and most importantly, to president obama, he has a state of the union and an inauguration speech to give. he wants to work on his legacy, not on this. >> so what -- you just said that the republicans really did just play right into the hands of the democrats. is that what you said? >> well, i think they fumbled the ball a little bit in their negotiations. i think, for example, even the optics of it, having...
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end to the brinksmanship in the deal and now a two-year end and now no deal and democrats say obama just defacto negotiated and the republicans know it and we have a crisis on the hands a month from now. >> well, we will have another crisis on the hands a month from now and back here staying up in the capitol late trying to figure out what the deal is. the president said today that if it comes down to that, it's not just spending cuts but there will be revenue in there, as well. but, you know, what's the leverage then? there's an interesting question. so, it will be deja vu all over again to quote a recent speech i heard. we have to see. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that
end to the brinksmanship in the deal and now a two-year end and now no deal and democrats say obama just defacto negotiated and the republicans know it and we have a crisis on the hands a month from now. >> well, we will have another crisis on the hands a month from now and back here staying up in the capitol late trying to figure out what the deal is. the president said today that if it comes down to that, it's not just spending cuts but there will be revenue in there, as well. but, you...
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the obsession, getting a deal at the very last minute. others kept saying well, you just watch, i know it looks bad now but if you wait until the stroke of midnight, we'll be there. indeed we are a, but i think th rational people say why is this that we do this at 11:59, and have terrible consequences. >> all right, ezra klein, stand by if you will. let's bring in "huffington post" ryan grim, i know you were just over joyed hearing this. but after all of this back and forth for so long, it is coming down literally to midnight. >> sure, and ezra is right. that is exactly when we would have expected it. either right at midnight or -- that is how they get things done. and the reason they do that, is because what they're trying to do is broadly unpopular. people don't support austerity. there is a certain type of industrial sector that like s austerity, but that is about it. so in order to inflict it on the people, so to speak, they have to create these artificial deadlines, saying if we don't hurt you a little bit right now then we'll have t
the obsession, getting a deal at the very last minute. others kept saying well, you just watch, i know it looks bad now but if you wait until the stroke of midnight, we'll be there. indeed we are a, but i think th rational people say why is this that we do this at 11:59, and have terrible consequences. >> all right, ezra klein, stand by if you will. let's bring in "huffington post" ryan grim, i know you were just over joyed hearing this. but after all of this back and forth for...
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every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are the obstructionists? it's my ideology, i can't negotiate. even if we go off the cliff, endanger the whole economy. >> greg: here is thing. the idea of adhering to a principle in this world is seen as extremism, trying to limit government and cutting taxes. what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad gifts are going back. tell you what the five of us got from san. the plus, this woman says she was fired from her job for from being too sexy.
every time boehner an obama get close to a deal, president obama moves the goalpost back. >> kimberly: he is playing hard ball. this is the problem. he is going hmm to you, republicans. i don't care about that. that is nothing. i get that for free. he is the guy changing the play for his side. what about the right? >> juan: the american people. look at the poll, they think president obama is willing to compromise. >> andrea: which is ironic. [ overtalk ] >> juan: who are...
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, rich, there's talk of a scaled down deal put forth by the president. what have you heard? >> it that is the discussion. you have harry reid, mitch mcconnell arriving at the white house, should have house leadership shortly to begin a meeting, a last ditch effort to try to help the economy avoid the fiscal cliff, or at least pieces of it, and, yes, the buzz around washington is a possible path forward that aids describe as preventing tax increase for income amounts of $400,000 or $500,000 or so, extend unemployment insurance, but, still, nothing has been agreed to. all in washington are waiting to see how this meeting goes. it's just about to start here in dc. meanwhile, on capital hill, the fighting continues, and in some corners, a sense of pessimism. >> if we don't have a deal within the next 24 hours, the question is where do you buy a parachute? we'll be going over the cliff because the closer we get to the end, the less likely it is you can compress an agreement into place that will have enough votes to pass. >> this is basically it. the first tim
, rich, there's talk of a scaled down deal put forth by the president. what have you heard? >> it that is the discussion. you have harry reid, mitch mcconnell arriving at the white house, should have house leadership shortly to begin a meeting, a last ditch effort to try to help the economy avoid the fiscal cliff, or at least pieces of it, and, yes, the buzz around washington is a possible path forward that aids describe as preventing tax increase for income amounts of $400,000 or...
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>> yeah, there is a pretty good chance because president obama has gotten involved in this a little bit. what they are doing is the fall-back plan they have come upon is to extend the current deal, the current level of subsidies and price supports for six, nine months and then try to figure out something after that. so they don't want to see -- you know, late january come and people being -- paying $7 a gallon for milk. that's not going to happen. they are going to come up with some deal. there are two real problems -- >> let me stop you there. is that -- what you point out, they are not taking care of it. they are not doing their job. they are pushing it off for six months, which is their m.o., but go ahead. >> two big problems. one is the dysfunctional congress, they can't agree about some sensible farm policy. everybody would like to fix this antiquated, subidr side price support system, but they can't agree how to do it. but there is a problem of basic insanity of the system, where the government is supporting this over production of milk and dairy products and buying up large parts
>> yeah, there is a pretty good chance because president obama has gotten involved in this a little bit. what they are doing is the fall-back plan they have come upon is to extend the current deal, the current level of subsidies and price supports for six, nine months and then try to figure out something after that. so they don't want to see -- you know, late january come and people being -- paying $7 a gallon for milk. that's not going to happen. they are going to come up with some deal....
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>> yeah, there actually is a pretty good chance because president obama has gotten involved in this a little bit and i think what they are are doing is the fallback plan that they have come upon is to just extend the current deal and level of subsidies or price supports for six or nine months and try to figure out something after that. they don't want to see late january come and people paying $7 a gallon for milk. so that is just not going happen so they will come up with some deal but there are two real problems here. >> greta: let me just stop you there. is that what you point out is that they are not taking care of it, they are not doing their job, just pushing it off for six months which is their m.o., but go ahead. >> two big problems. one is the dysfunctional congress and they can't come to an agreement about some sort of sensible farm followcy and everybody would like to actually fix this antiqueiated expensive subsidy price support system but can't agree on how to do it. there is that problem and kind of the basic insanity of the system where the government is support, the ov
>> yeah, there actually is a pretty good chance because president obama has gotten involved in this a little bit and i think what they are are doing is the fallback plan that they have come upon is to just extend the current deal and level of subsidies or price supports for six or nine months and try to figure out something after that. they don't want to see late january come and people paying $7 a gallon for milk. so that is just not going happen so they will come up with some deal but...
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president obama, of course, today had that sort of campaign-style event. he has waged this public campaign to pressure congress, not only republicans, but also democrats who have expressed some skepticism about this emerging deal that is coming together. so that is part of the president's tactic as well, to not only be working the phones behind the scenes, but also to hold these public events and, of course, he sat down with david gregory this weekend on quths meet the press." that's part of his calculation as well. >> let's talk more about the political calculation. for more reaction i'm joined by nbc's luke russert. good to see you, luke. >> how are you doing? >> i want to pick up on what mike was saying, even as we were on the air house republicans were watching us and sending him e-mails saying, listen, we don't have anything to vote on. is there a sense that members on both sides of congress are feeling some pressure from their constituents even as folks are preparing to go out and pop the champagne and celebrate the new year? >> reporter: oh, yeah, s
president obama, of course, today had that sort of campaign-style event. he has waged this public campaign to pressure congress, not only republicans, but also democrats who have expressed some skepticism about this emerging deal that is coming together. so that is part of the president's tactic as well, to not only be working the phones behind the scenes, but also to hold these public events and, of course, he sat down with david gregory this weekend on quths meet the press." that's part...
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on obama care. there's no way these guys are going to come to a deal, and the reason is this. the president has got the upper hand, and his most important partner is the weakest person in this, which is john boehner. john boehner is on the verge of losing credibility with his caucus. he can't take a deal to his caucus that will pass without the help of nancy pelosi, which will pull the entire deal to the left. so what they have to do is they have to go over the cliff. we're just talking about politics, we're not talking about finances here. they have to go over the cliff. that strengthens boehner's hands because now everybody is paying a hell of a lot more taxes and people are blaming the republicans, and now boehner can go to the caucus and maybe get 200 and a few votes and then with nancy pelosi pick off a few democrats and make some kind of deal. having said that, the best thing for the country is never to come to a deal because ed rendell is right. as a former governor, we don't operate with big
on obama care. there's no way these guys are going to come to a deal, and the reason is this. the president has got the upper hand, and his most important partner is the weakest person in this, which is john boehner. john boehner is on the verge of losing credibility with his caucus. he can't take a deal to his caucus that will pass without the help of nancy pelosi, which will pull the entire deal to the left. so what they have to do is they have to go over the cliff. we're just talking about...
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obama offered before boehner tried to pass his disastrous plan b. >> again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself. but again, i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off even his own proposal. >> i know i need one, so here's one for you. here's a friendly user's guide on who has offered real solutions to each of the fiscal cliff issues. on taxes president obama's offer compromise, agreeing to $400,000 as the new cutoff point. speaker boehner tried to sell a million as the dividing line but couldn't get it past his own party. president obama is therefore offering his original position, $250,000 and below. on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another c
obama offered before boehner tried to pass his disastrous plan b. >> again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself. but again, i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off even his own proposal. >> i know i need one, so here's...
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now, right now, the most likely deal on the table seems to be that scaled-down proposal president obama suggested last fright. just to recap, extend tax cuts on household income under $250,000, that's 98% of americans. extend unemployment insurance. that's important. and likely extend the alternative minimum tax fix. but is this bared down plan something house republicans can really get behind? "outfront" tonight to answer that question, republican congressman tom mcclintock of california, a member of the house budget committee. mr. congressman, good to see you. could you back that scaled back plan to avoid going over the fiscal cliff? >> as i said all along, republicans don't want taxes to go up on anyone. if we have an impasse on january 1st, they go up on everyone. so at some point, i think that we republicans have got to realize that if we can't save everybody, we need to try to save as many people as possible. that's not advocating a tax increase. if a lifeguard sees ten people drowning off his beach and can only save nine of them, it doesn't mean he's drowned the tenth one. >> you
now, right now, the most likely deal on the table seems to be that scaled-down proposal president obama suggested last fright. just to recap, extend tax cuts on household income under $250,000, that's 98% of americans. extend unemployment insurance. that's important. and likely extend the alternative minimum tax fix. but is this bared down plan something house republicans can really get behind? "outfront" tonight to answer that question, republican congressman tom mcclintock of...
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will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point fingers in opposite directions, hinting that talks could go into the new year. >> are we going over the cliff? >> i believe we are, and i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. he senses a victory at the bottom of the cliff. >> we only have nine days left here. when are we going to get serious about actual solutions? i would welcome john to tell me. he says he wants a solution. give us one, john. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial service for the late u.s. senator from daniel inouye. >> white house correspondent kristen welker. kristen, obviously they always say t
will president obama leave hawaii behind the day after christmas if a deal is in the works and the election hangover. new comments from one of mitt romney's sons that you might describe as puzzling. what do they really mean? and the gun battle rages on. new reports on why nothing may get done even after the sandy hook tragedy. >>> a massive tax hike and spending cuts -- republicans and democrats continue to point fingers in opposite directions, hinting that talks could go into the new...
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let's turn now to the white house, president obama putting pressure on the lawmakers to make a deal. talking about the fiscal cliff in a television interview. he put much of the blame on the shoulders of republicans if no deal is reached, the g.o.p. firing back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live from the white house, ed? >> you're right, republicans were frustrated by the president going on the sunday talk show today in the middle of all of these negotiations, he's not been on one of these programs since 2009, over years ago. he felt like though it was important to get his message out there and you're right, that he was pounding that same message again and again, if we go off the fiscal cliff, he believes the onus is on the republicans for not meeting him halfway. take a listen. >> not because democrats and congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go u
let's turn now to the white house, president obama putting pressure on the lawmakers to make a deal. talking about the fiscal cliff in a television interview. he put much of the blame on the shoulders of republicans if no deal is reached, the g.o.p. firing back saying the president should lead right now not cast blame. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live from the white house, ed? >> you're right, republicans were frustrated by the president going on the sunday talk show today...
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with only hours to go, president obama says a deal between democrats and republicans is, quote, within reach as america ticks closer to the fiscal cliff at midnight. >> they are close, but they're not there yet. and one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second. >> duown to the wire. if you thought the fiscal cliff snuck up on congress, the debt ceiling bill that triggered this to begin with was signed into law in 2011. we have known from that day forward this day would be upon us if nothing was done. and everyone in congress has known all along what it would take to avert the blanket tax hikes and spending cuts that are mandated to start in the new year. how much time is that, by the way? 517 days, or you can call it one year, four months and 29 days, or 73 weeks or 12,408 hours. you get the point. your political leader is engrossed in a colossal waste of time. the tax cuts were enacted for ten years starting in 2001 and then extended in 2010 for another
with only hours to go, president obama says a deal between democrats and republicans is, quote, within reach as america ticks closer to the fiscal cliff at midnight. >> they are close, but they're not there yet. and one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second. >> duown to the wire. if you thought the fiscal cliff snuck up on congress, the debt ceiling...
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and so whether you're deal -- what you're doing with obama is not just the expiration of the bush tax cuts, but obama tax goes into effect as well. the cap gains rate will go up 58% and this is going to lose revenue rather than gain revenue just as it has in the past. similarly, the tax increase on dividends. if the bush tax cut expires, along with the obamacare tax increase, the tax rate on dividends is going to increase -- actually triple. when bush cut the tax rate on dividends, dividends pay soared and so did the taxes napad on them as a result. if you reverse that tax cut and put the obamacare tax on top, dividends are going to collapse and so are the revenues that government will collect from the dividends. you'll have a similar result as you had in 1990 where they increased rather than declined. >> clayton: do we not learn from our history? this seems like it's just repeating all over again. politicians aren't aware of their history here and what we could go through again. we know what 1991 and 1992 looked like with that recession. it was hard. >> the tax increases we're talkin
and so whether you're deal -- what you're doing with obama is not just the expiration of the bush tax cuts, but obama tax goes into effect as well. the cap gains rate will go up 58% and this is going to lose revenue rather than gain revenue just as it has in the past. similarly, the tax increase on dividends. if the bush tax cut expires, along with the obamacare tax increase, the tax rate on dividends is going to increase -- actually triple. when bush cut the tax rate on dividends, dividends...
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but president obama coming back from vacation in hawaii. that's an indication that some kind of deal -- however small -- is definitely coming. i want to point out, and i know you've been negative on this mastercard data on retail sales, and everybody thinks it's going to be a mess for the holiday season. i want to point out that the stocks are not acting that way. that this is a disaster for the season. the s&p retail index hit an historic high on december 3rd. historic high. since then, it has only been down about 3%. these stocks are not acting like there's a disaster. i can give you several reasons why they're not down so far. number one, we are going to see eps growth in the fourth quarter from some of them because of the extra week that there is. number two, we've had much lower cotton costs this year. their overall costs are lower. that's helping their earnings. number three, inventory levels are much lower. and that's going to help their gross margins. number four, we had pretty good gdp numbers in q-3. number five, home prices are i
but president obama coming back from vacation in hawaii. that's an indication that some kind of deal -- however small -- is definitely coming. i want to point out, and i know you've been negative on this mastercard data on retail sales, and everybody thinks it's going to be a mess for the holiday season. i want to point out that the stocks are not acting that way. that this is a disaster for the season. the s&p retail index hit an historic high on december 3rd. historic high. since then, it...
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. >>> unfortunately, we deal with incompetent. this afternoon president obama whim wil set down with congressional leaders at the white house for a last ditch effort to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. the hope is both sides can agree to a compromise to prevent the economy from sliding back into recession. judging from the rhetoric on capitol hill, there's a long way to go. here's the day on the hill. >> if we go over the cliff we'll be left with the knowledge that could have been prevented with a single vote in the republican-controlled house of representatives. the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> we're coming up against a hard deadline here, and as i said, this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward jus
. >>> unfortunately, we deal with incompetent. this afternoon president obama whim wil set down with congressional leaders at the white house for a last ditch effort to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. the hope is both sides can agree to a compromise to prevent the economy from sliding back into recession. judging from the rhetoric on capitol hill, there's a long way to go. here's the day on the hill. >> if we go over the cliff we'll be left with the knowledge that could have...
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they realize that if there is no deal that gets done, we go over the fiscal cliff or the obama cliff and everything that gets kicked into gear, higher tax rates, some of the spending cuts, sequestration, probably good for the economy, which i believe is, but also he can come back in after the first of the year, sometime in january or february and say, let's pass some tax cuts for people making under $250,000 a year, like i've wanted to do all along and he gets to own tax cuts. it's very, very politically senator to do this on his part. on right, they really, really needed to be one voice and they just couldn't get to that. >> kelly: he divided the republicans as charles krauthammer alluded to, saying that's what the president wanted to do, to divide the republicans. senator john barrasso has something to say about the president, saying he may have wanted to do this all along, go off the fiscal cliff. >> i think that he sees a lot of cuts to the military, which the democrats have been after for a long time. and then he gets to do what he loves to do, which is blame republicans. my con
they realize that if there is no deal that gets done, we go over the fiscal cliff or the obama cliff and everything that gets kicked into gear, higher tax rates, some of the spending cuts, sequestration, probably good for the economy, which i believe is, but also he can come back in after the first of the year, sometime in january or february and say, let's pass some tax cuts for people making under $250,000 a year, like i've wanted to do all along and he gets to own tax cuts. it's very, very...
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drone war at home for deals to build unmanned aircraft for domestic use. the faa says there could be 30,000 uavs in u.s. skies by 2020. the teal group says domestic drones could be worth $89 billion over ten years, as everyone from homeland security to tmz wants permission to use them. >>> let's get some more insight on the defense skprkt how to play it as the fiscal cliff deadline grows closer. howard rubel is with jeffries. great to speak with you. and i guess key to understanding the impact on these individual stocks, as jane had pointed out in her piece, is to understand which programs might be protected, even with budget cuts that the industry is facing. the f-35, for instance, is one that might be protected. walk us through. which ones had the most protected streams of revenue? >> frankly, many of them do at the moment, because the pentagon has been very busy signing production contracts to get under the wire of the sequester. >> so, for instance, the general dynamics deal that was selling to the navy for the submarine, those funds are, in fact, prot
drone war at home for deals to build unmanned aircraft for domestic use. the faa says there could be 30,000 uavs in u.s. skies by 2020. the teal group says domestic drones could be worth $89 billion over ten years, as everyone from homeland security to tmz wants permission to use them. >>> let's get some more insight on the defense skprkt how to play it as the fiscal cliff deadline grows closer. howard rubel is with jeffries. great to speak with you. and i guess key to understanding...